Where does the Bible say anything about the Holy Trinity?
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Foxnose
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Posted 11:02 am, 01/17/2025
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You can point out scripture after scripture but is is like water off a ducks back.
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Foxnose
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Posted 11:02 am, 01/17/2025
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Anti is spiritually reprobate
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. Maybe not a bad behaving person but blind, lost, and unable to understand spiritual things..
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Patriot7
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Posted 10:56 am, 01/17/2025
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Unless you really believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus died for you on the cross for your sins and was raised from the dead and now sits at the right hand of God the Father you will be thrown into the lake of fire with other non believers, the devil, and the other fallen angels...forever separated from God. If you do not believe that now you will. You can mock me but God won't be.
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Albert Pike
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Posted 10:28 am, 01/17/2025
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Antithesis is NOT a Christian, I'm not saying she's a bad person but she does not believe in the tenets of the Christian religion, my proof is in an earlier thread she referred to Christianity as mythology, if a person refers to their religious beliefs as a mythology then they have no religious beliefs.
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Gentleman ****
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Posted 10:03 am, 01/17/2025
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It is easy to read some of the listed passages and deduce that there are three separate deities in the "Holy Trinity." However, I think a deeper reading of the entire Bible added with a bit of cultural context makes it clear that the three are one deity.
Christianity, as is well known, evolved from Judaism after the introduction of Christ on Earth. Judaism is one of the two oldest religions that practice monotheism (some scholars debate whether Judaism or Zoroastrianism is older, but it is commonly agreed that both have been practiced for at least 7,000 years.) As such those who believe in Judaism and Christianity believe there is only one God. Jesus, Himself, was a devout follower of Judaism as were all His early "inner circle" of followers. The New Testament gives a few examples of people outside the faith of Judaism who were believers in Christ, but those are the exceptions rather than the rule. For the authors of the Gospels and the authors of the other books of the New Testament it would have been impossible to believe that the "Holy Trinity" was three separate deities.
In the 30th verse of the 10th chapter in the Gospel of John we read that Jesus said, "I and the Father are one." (NASB) In the 18th verse of the 5th chapter of the same Gospel we read that Jesus claimed to be equal with God. The New American Standard Bible (1995 edition) subtitles verses 7 through 15 of the 14th chapter of John's Gospel as "Oneness with the Father." Taken from the monotheistic point of view, it is impossible to read these statements in any way other than Jesus and God are one and the same deity.
In Jesus's time families were led by a strong paternal influence. Sons were to be subordinate to their fathers. Daughters were hardly to be considered as they were seen as little more than chattels to be married off to other father's sons and become subordinate to their husbands and produce more sons. Whether the cultural undertones of the Gospels would be different if the events it records happened in our culture is a matter worthy of debate but is not the subject here addressed. Jesus's claims that as the "Son of God" He was equal to God was so far outside the cultural norms of the time that the only conclusion for believers was that Jesus is God.
We know that this claim by Jesus led directly to His crucifixion, and (if one believes) to His resurrection which led directly to the establishment (in time) of Christianity. Though I am loath to appear a Sunday Preacher, it is my opinion, based on my reading and understanding, that Jesus, while in human form was subordinate to God by choice, but equal in divinity.
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Foxnose
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Posted 5:34 am, 01/17/2025
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You have him on a technecality . You are going YOUR way and you will end up SOMEWHERE. But it has been tried many times the path is broad and well worn.
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antithesis
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Posted 1:12 am, 01/17/2025
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To me, Gentleman, those passages allude to the existence of the three, but not that they are different versions of the same entity. For example, when God described Jesus as "my Son," He didn't say "my Body."
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Gentleman ****
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Posted 9:35 pm, 01/16/2025
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Although the words "Holy Trinity" aren't found in the Bible, both the concept of the "Holy Trinity" and the divinity of Christ are well documented in the New Testament.
In the first chapter of the Gospel of John=== we are told that "the Word was God" (verse 1) in the beginning. The writer, in verse 14, unveils the metaphor as being Jesus when he described "the Word" as coming to live on earth and gave some other identifying information to reveal he was writing about Jesus. In verse 18 of the same chapter we see that the writer described "the only Son" as God.
Jesus, himself, alluded to His divinity by quoting God's description of Himself as "I Am" (see John 8:58 and Exodus 3:14.) Colossians 2:9 states "For in Him <Jesus> all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form." (NASB) I think that it is important that the description of Christ given in Colossians 2:9 as "Deity" <singular> rather than as "a deity" <plural> is important, but the individual reader can decide that import for him or herself.
If one accepts the first verse of John's Gospel as, well, gospel and accept that Jesus was both with God and was God then Genesis chapter 1 introduces us to both God (later referred to as the "Father") and the Spirit of God" (verse 2) A close reading of the first two verses of Genesis introduces two characters, (1) God and (2) the Spirit of God. Genesis 1:26 makes more sense when we realize that the "Holy Trinity" was present when God said "Let Us make mankind in Our image, according to Our likeness" (NASB.) In a few verses we read of God referring to Himself in the first person, so it is hard to argue that verse 26 was written with God speaking in the third person.
At Jesus's baptism we read of all three members of the "Holy Trinity" being accounted for at one time. Jesus (God in human flesh according to Colossians 2:9) is coming up out of the water after being baptized, a disembodied voice of God comes from heaven describing Jesus as "my Son" and the Spirit of God descends from heaven "like a dove." (Matthew 3:16-17) In Matthew 28:19 Jesus makes mention of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit (in the NASB versions.)
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tmann
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Posted 7:46 pm, 01/16/2025
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Caligula - your horns are showing.
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Foxnose
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Posted 6:28 pm, 01/16/2025
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I didn't find precisely what you was looking for but I think I found a couple they had your name in the footnotes
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, ......
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Cogliostro
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Posted 5:44 pm, 01/16/2025
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"Do what thou wilt be the whole of the Law". by guess who
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sparkling water
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Posted 5:36 pm, 01/16/2025
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Have you found a significant difference between the NASB and the KJV ?
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antithesis
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Posted 5:34 pm, 01/16/2025
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I tend to read the NASB, it's considered to be the most literal translation from the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. But I know a lot of people here are KJV-only, so I read it for context, too.
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antithesis
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Posted 3:03 pm, 01/16/2025
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I can't find anywhere that Jesus or his apostles say that Jesus is God, or anything about a Trinity at all. It seems like this was a concept introduced by the Council of Nicaea in 325 in an attempt to make Christianity more palatable to people coming from other religions.
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